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Author Topic: Am I about to father toothless babies?  (Read 625 times)
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« on: April 10, 2011, 06:33:38 »

Don't know much about this genera so please tell me if I've hit the jackpot with this Dyckia gift from Devo. I'm hoping that it will produce prickless, toothless, spineless babies which doesn't really sound too optimistic for my family tree, but I'm delighted. Do you think I've got a good chance of a 100% spineless outcome? Is there any way that I can increase my chances of achieving this outcome?
Also beneath is a sport in the making which is always interesting.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 18:41:00 »

It certainly seems to have a gene that is limiting the number of spines.  I'd say there is a fair chance that with enough seed from that plant that you'd find a spineless plant or two.  But I would try both self-pollinating some flowers and maybe cross others with something that you like the features of (might as well try a long shot!).  I've seen some seedlings look spineless and then finally develop their spines, but they seemed to have developed their spines by about 1/3 of that size so I think yours will probably keep that erratic spination.  And who knows, you might get a pup from it that goes spineless so you don't even have to worry about seed (but I wouldn't hold my breath).
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 19:40:40 »

I don't have much experience with Dyckias either.  Based on my experience with spineless Neos, I'd say there's a chance, but not a strong likelihood.  As Andy says, you might get the odd seedling or two in a large population, particularly if it's selfed (assuming it is self-compatible), but the fact that your specimen is not 100% spineless to begin with would lower the odds too.  As far as I can tell, spinelessness in an otherwise spiny genus seems to be a pretty recessive trait.  Even two completely spineless Neos will usually produce some spined offspring. 

We need Chanin here for Dyckia breeding questions.  I'll see if I can find him. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 21:43:49 »

He registered at one point, but I don't think he really started posting...
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 22:59:04 »

Yes, Chanin is needed here, and should do the decent thing, seeing he is the real father/hybridist of this plant!
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 12:39:10 »

Mitch,

I can't help you but here is an old GW post with one of Chanin's almost toothless Dykias -

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bromeliad/msg082201516209.html

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 03:44:09 »

 Cheesy Hi guys, via my good friends, Lisa and Alfina's requirements, I do join the threads.

As Lisa mentioned, I'm with her and I think to deal with genetic it's mystery  Grin
I've kept the nearly spineless hybrid that I made from crossing
D.platyphylla x D.marnier-lapostollei Both parentages have normal spination.

Here, up to date the plant.You can notice that there are some spines remain on younger pup.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 07:33:08 »

Welcome home Chanin, we've all been missing your great pics from Thai gardens, not to mention those of your own large spiny collection.....How about some pictorial updates of your latest hybridising work?Huh
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