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« on: January 29, 2013, 04:21:26 »

Okay, while we are playing 'what is this mystery plant' game, what do you guys think of this one?  One had an old inflo down in the rosette that hinted strongly to the ortgiesii complex.  Slight stolons.  The leaves have a 'knuckle' in them a la nudicaulis and a few other Aechmeas.  The dark marking are pretty interesting.  Any ideas or suggestions?  I am assuming some old hybrid that was lurking in the back of someone's collection for a very long time.

Aechmea nudicaulis x Sao Paulo (or reverse)?  Doesn't Ae. comata have the 'knuckle' as well?

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 19:19:40 »

Ae. comata does have knuckles, and several of the ortgiesioid Aechmeas have dark blue pigment in some part of the leaf (tip and/or base).  Given the apparent size, my guess would be comata x some form of caudata, but a flower would certainly help.

Edit:  I just read the part about "old inflo down in the rosette".  Did you mean the inflo had a short stalk, a la recurvata?  Or was it just old and dried up and that's where it was hiding?  That would be a major clue.   
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 23:53:32 »

Andy, has it been growing in a lot of shade. Could be a recurvata hybrid
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2013, 04:26:55 »

Thanks guys.  Not particularly shade grown.  Seems like recurvata would bring the size way down.  I think it is probably comata x caudata...everything seems to fit.  It is roughly the size, knuckles, and has the tubular influence from comata and the leaves are slightly softer/more gentle and the color of the blotchy caudata types.  I forgot that comata also has those stolon type of offsets.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 07:13:55 »

Finally flowering.  Could it just be a weird form of Ae. comata?  Ae. comata x Sao Paulo?

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 10:04:24 »

Hi Andy,

How about  Aech. organensis (large form) x Aechmea comata

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2013, 01:16:20 »

I am hesitant about anything that branches very much.  The only reason I would even suggest Ae. Sao Paulo is the really dark blotches it has.  But even that I would think might change the inflo.  I'm leaning toward just a weird Ae. comata.  The size is about the same as both my normal Ae. comata and the var. makoyana.
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2013, 01:16:58 »

Oh, and the picture doesn't really show it, but the center of the inflo between the sterile buds it is pinkish.  Kind of weird...
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2013, 20:03:40 »

That inflo does look close to comata, although I'm not sure what to make of the pinkish apex. 

Do you have a photo of Sao Paulo, Andy, or are you just going by the BCR description?  The "dry brushed" part does sound about right, although it doesn't say at the base. 

Sao Paulo is apparently a caudata, but it doesn't say how branched the inflo is.  Other comata/caudata hybrids (Gotha, Goldlines) have resulted in a somewhat more elongated bloom, but presumably they used caudata v. variegata.  I'm thinking something like caudata v. eipperi would bring you a lot closer to the mark, particularly if the P. Franklin photo of v. eipperi is correct.  I say "if" because other sources say it has blue petals.

I also wouldn't rule out something like calyculata in the mix, but I couldn't find a solid match to hybrids of any of these species amongst the photo files.   

 



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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2013, 23:55:34 »

I used to have a pup of Sao Paulo...can't believe I lost it...ugh.  But the dark marking look /a lot/ like this, mostly on the leaf bases.  I am pretty sure I've seen it bloom and I recall it was well branched like most A. caudata that I've seen.  I'll dig through my photos to see if I have a picture hidden somewhere.  If not I'll grab a picture next time I visit my friends who have it.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2013, 04:52:52 »

Nope, can't dig out any pictures of the Ae. Sao Paulo.  So that may be a little while to show that plant.

But I did take a couple of pictures that show the pink a bit better...
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