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« on: April 10, 2012, 20:02:28 »

Hi

I recently got this unknown species?  Seller apparently bought at local sale in San Diego (maybe from Andy??)  I asked about it and she said "the seed was wild collected and tags were lost. If it's ever addressed I'll post it."
any ideas on what it is, or locality?  thanks much, Mike

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 02:42:43 »

Looks familiar, but can't put my finger on it.  Who was the seller (...email if you want...)?  Looks like a pretty nice plant once it grows out.  That will also help to take a guess on which one it is.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 19:02:53 »

thanks Andy

By the way, is there a way to tell a Hechtia from a Dyckia, absent an inflorescence.  Most seem obvious and the Dyckia hybrids are easy) after awhile, tho I am not sure how I would describe the differences.  Perhaps Dyckias are more symmetric, less tangled?.  But this one above, and the unknown Dyckia I posted , look very similar to me.  In fact, when I got them out of the box, I wasn't really sure which was which, and had to go check the seller's pictures of them to make sure!  (in fairness to the seller, she did include a tag which I found when I unwrapped the rootball!)  Here they are together.  Would you say the genera of each is obvious. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 19:12:28 »

Ha ha, to me they are obvious but I don't know how to explain it!  Some are really tough and ambiguous.  Sometimes it just requires watching the growth habit (so you don't have to wait for the bloom).  But toss in some of the odd Deuterocohnias and Encholiriums and it can be really tough to tell.  Let me stew it over for a while and I might be able to come up with a general key...
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 21:08:46 »

I will make it easier for you

1  what about the two I posted above, is thee something there that says H or D
2.  don't know enuf re habit to tell difference!

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 18:23:22 »

oh... are any of these plants sposed to have been a Hechtia called DutchVandervort.
That purple Dyckia looks nice.

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 19:48:28 »

Hi Wuzz

the seller also had hechtia dutchvandoort, so preusmably this is different.

which purple dyckia, on left or right?

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 20:09:59 »

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the one on the left... I think ..is a Hechtia. A nice looking one. This one is usually what people think of when the name Hechtia comes up.. red-orange-green-lotza spines. Maybe someone else will recognize them and be able to give you location and or names.

The plant on the far right is a Dyckia. I think.  Smiley names for Dyckia can be tricky too. They are promiscuous.  I posted a picture of  D. Michael Andreas on FB Dyckia Hechtia Society International group.  I don't think its the same as yours..
I wasn't thinking about the middle two..
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 22:34:03 »

Hard to say exactly.  The spination, the leaf proportions, the leaf arrangement/habit.  The Dyckia looks like a Dyckia and the Hechtia looks like a Hechtia!  Ha ha, sorry.  The Hechtia has leaves growing sort of to one side.  The only time Dyckias seem to do that is when they are very crowded in a pot.

I don't know.  Every time I try to make a general statement I can think of 2 or 3 exceptions.  Sorry I can't be of more help...
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 00:00:46 »

Hi

Andy, still curious, and I am not looking for an ironclad rule. 
Re habit, I think I follow,  to me, H are messier, while D seem more symetric.  H seem more upright. I am sur there are gobs of exception. 

re proportions, not sure , maybe H leaves are longer?

no idea re spination differences - any hints here

Re the other two, Wuzz, you are right.  H glomerata and D hybrid ex Kelly G, no name.


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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2012, 00:48:23 »

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Look up Hechtia Forever on facebook. More pictures of Hechtia
This picture is of a (I'm pretty sure) a Dyckia.. But sold to me as Hechtia Peruviana

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 01:18:53 »

Ha ha...definitely a Dyckia.  Especially if from Peru!  But then again, Hechtia tillandsioides was first described as being from Brazil...
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