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« on: September 24, 2010, 07:54:49 »


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I have been waiting a whole year for this to mature .
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 07:59:30 »

And not a single seed
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Very sweet flesh though .
I know a few people who have got seed .
They are supposed to be very large .
These plants came from a palm collector in Sydney .
His wife picked them up in a resort somewhere in the Amazon .
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 10:06:48 »

I remember waiting forever to see if my Hoh. correia-araujoi would give me seed only to be disappointed - I later read your post on GW about having difficulties in getting seed to set. Hopefully you'll get a few offsets of your  tayoensis - they certainly are an unusual Aechmea.


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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 19:27:55 »

Some species are self-fertile and others are not.  What I don't understand, however, is why some go to all the trouble of making a fat juicy berry with no seeds inside.  From an evolutionary standpoint, this is a tremendous waste of plant energy!  
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 02:08:30 »

Maybe to remind and reward the dispersing animals to ensure that the berries are part of their diet for when there are seeds???
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 09:36:49 »

sdandy , so right . I have just had a few Anthuriums look to have set seed , only to find berries with no seeds .
In reading an article in 'Aroideana' no not my journal but the one of the International Aroid Society , mention is made of " Parthenocarpy or Parthenocarpic " and google says   virgin fruit , or seedless fruit .
Seems it is an important thing , who would want seeds in a banana . I nearly broke a tooth on one I found . Or a pineapple full of seeds ?
Have another tayoensis in flower , but not bothered to try and pollinate , must need another clone and there are not to many around . Who has a seedling one to trade ?
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 14:44:21 »

 Try cutting of the stigma lobes and placing pollen on the stigma tube. This will work on some plants.
  Read Problems with breeding and interpreting results by Bill Morris on FCBS site.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 06:39:07 »

Was having a bit of a clean up and pot up of pups chucked under a clump of Heliconias . And found the tub i had one of the old mother tayoensis in . Had dumped lots of other pots on top to keep them dry , and guess what I found poking out the back !! Another pup !! ALL foliage had died and withered away about 2 years ago , and I had got several Heliconia seedlings out of the tub that had self sown there .
The stump was still solid so thats why I had not recycled the media .
Worth the wait  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2013, 21:24:44 »

Late revival of this post. 

Did we ever determine if tayoensis selfs or not?  Mine have both flowered, have swollen seed heads and appear to be dying off.  I got arm-twisted into selling the pups before they bloomed, and nothing new has come out since.  Hoping for a last minute survivor like aroideana, or it's all over for these guys. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 05:09:46 »

Update:

The fruiting body of this thing looks rather like an unfused pineapple, and is even more pokey (handle with care!)  I had tried to pull the ripe-looking sections off while it was still attached to the mother plant, but they didn't pull off easily and didn't appear to have any seeds.  Finally the mother just collapsed and dumped the whole head on the ground.  I pulled it apart, and although many of the fruits had no seeds inside, I did find some.  I eliminated all the deflated-looking ones on the assumption they would not be viable, and was left with about 40 large, black, pointed but plump seeds.  I've just sown them, and will report back if they germinate.  Keep fingers crossed! 
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 03:00:04 »

Further update:

Here's what the seeds looked like back in August:

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I thought they might not germinate, but nearly 3 months later, a few have.  Oddly, one of the first ones is albino.  I have no explanation for that. Huh  I'm used to seeing albino seedlings from variegated plants, but this certainly is not that.  It's a bit blurry, but you can see it's still alive.  I expect it to die off, but at least there are a couple more green ones now.  And yes, I have an algae problem, no need to point that out.   Tongue

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I also wanted to post in part to see if Photobucket is working, as nobody seems to be using it lately.  Seems okay, at least for now. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 03:34:40 »

3 months? I doubt I would have waited that long.

Did you get a fair number of pups?
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2013, 06:28:11 »

Lisa  what medium did you sow them on...looks like sawdust??

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2013, 19:21:51 »

It's milled sphagnum, Conrad.  Not the bales of long fibered moss with sticks and whatnot still in it, this has been cleaned and chopped and pressed into small cubes that may then be reconstituted by soaking in water.  It's a New Zealand product, Supersphag.  That's only the top layer, though.  It's too expensive to use throughout, so the underneath is a standard fine peat/perlite mix. 

Not a lot of pups, Nick.  The first one I potted up, and it became almost as big as the parent.  They each produced one more pup before blooming (which, in my ignorance, I sold off), and then nothing.  I haven't tossed them out yet, just in case, but the tops have mostly died back.  Live and learn...
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 04:10:03 »

I have a tayoensis and a couple rubiginosa which is similar. I wouldn't miss them if somebody offered cash.

I use milled sphagnum also but I reuse it as much as possible. I soak it in diluted physan 20 for a short while between uses and haven't had any problems. I always lose some sphagnum when transferring seedlings and probably go through $7 worth of new milled sphagnum a year. The physan 20 bottle is the same one I got 5 years ago and still has plenty left. I guess I do 20 or less grexes a year, probably a lot less than you Lisa.
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